Pop Quiz 2 Update 2

The calm before the storm has begun.

After two weeks of hosing, I now have a week of reprieve before the wall of finals hits… hopefully not too hard.

So naturally I’ll take the opportunity to catch up on two weeks of building. First off is Pop Quiz, which I actually have a fair percentage of the parts for.

From United Hobbies are the replacement internal parts. After some idea juggling, I settled on some 460mAh packs rated for 15C discharge. This of course gets me an incredible 6 amps of maximum current, but given my intention to run everything in the bot mildly, should not get in the way.

These packs are 3S each, and I will remove one cell from each pack, then series the remaining to yield 4S x 460mAh.

The new 10A controller is unbelievably small – MUCH smaller than Pop Quiz’s current 10A controller by far. It has one SO-8 FET per leg of the motor driver bridge.

Still missing is the micro-receiver and drive ESCs. These parts are contingent on whether or not I can shove the old ones into the new design.

PQ2 drive motors! This is a side-by-side comparison of the stock Mabuchi slot car motor, and the neodymium-tuned one next to it (On the right). The “freewheeling noise” of the “enhanced” motor is substantially lower. According to my R/C meter, it draws an obnoxious .4 amps no-load, but oddly enough, runs smoother and with significantly less brush arc than the stocker. I wish I had some real equipment such that I can collect real data instead of jamming my finger into the rotor to see how easily it stops (Alot harder to stop the new motor, by the way!)

SDP-SI is out of stock on the exact size gear I need to fit the new drivetrain. Go figure – I’ll keep bugging them until they are restocked.

With those little details on hold, it was time to work on the new motor.

…but alas, disaster strikes even before starting.

After popping the stators out of the motors I intended for the bot, I discovered they are in fact 3mm thick, not 4mm like I had visually inspected (Note that these aren’t the “flat motors” from the last update, but rather some HDD motors I had bought in 2006)

This was quite bad, as I had sized the design for a 4mm tall stator. This isn’t to say 3mm won’t work, since small fits in place of large, but would cost me some power as well as style points.

What ensued was a night of terror levied upon a box of old hard drives sitting around MITERS. I went through one of every unique make to see if they had usable spindle motors. There were only 4 brands and models in total – the rest were duplicates.

(MITERS obtained this after some server cluster on campus dumped their old hardware)

I hate new stuff. I really do. Because they ALL LOOK AND FUNCTION ALIKE on the inside. Not a single 4mm, 12 pole motor was found out of four drives. The only 4mm stator was 9-poled and 20mm in outer diameter, totally unworkable. Of course, going through more was only going to be redundant, so I called it a night and just worked on the motor frame itself.

I have some older (1990s) hard drives hiding under my bed that might prove more useful. Old things tend to have bigger motors. Or I could just harvest some plates from one stator and transfer them over.

Result of the Night of Terror. The other MITERers were, of course, glad to act as parts vultures, stripping the discs, magnets, RW heads, and various random bearings and spacers. I wonder how many cents I can get if I recycle the casings.

Time to get down to business. Behold, the sketchiest sawing setup that has ever existed.

I needed a chunk off this 8 foot long, 1.6″ diameter steel pipe. There wasn’t really an easy way to handle it besides propping it up on the work table and using the abrasive saw.

Problem was, there wasn’t really a sawhorse or structure that could easily fit in the space provided. The solution was to prop it up with a wooden board and just hope nothing moves.

Nothing moved, but the effort proved fruitless as the inside of the steel pipe, when cleaned of rust, was around 1.3″ diameter. I need a 1.295″ ID on the magnet ring, and would rather trim outwards from a smaller pipe.

D’oh.

So the next thing to do was to start on the aluminum bits. Here’s the completed motor base. Or, rather, here’s a completed dummy motor base. It was a good practice run to get the quirks of manufacturing out, but ultimately there were some inaccuracies.

The MITERS lathe is well-known for being inconsistently inconsistent (consistently inconsistent would mean I’d be able to predict and offset appropriately to account for its behavior), and I had all sorts of weird things happen again, like the tailstock that points to any one of 5 constellations depending on where it is on the bed, how hard I crank the camlock, what bit I use, how I mount it in the chuck, how far out the tailstock ram is, and the phase of sunspots. And again, the toolpost proved troublesome – it’s awfully flexible for being a block of metal, and some times flexes slightly on cuts, which throws off the dimensions.

I might need to hit up one of the student shops for this application, which requires a bit of precision.

Assembled (with a stock ganked HDD stator). The stator is supposed be flush with the top of the stepped nub, but of course it’s 1.2mm too short to do so. This is actually not as bad as I make it out to be. The base, as it is, will make a good backup part, since there’s only a small amount of error on the OD and the depth of the center hole.

Overall, the test assembly confirms some of the hopes I had about fitting the motor can and maintaining space for the windings. There’s a fair amount of space to wind with.

More work to come!

A flat motor.

I got some flat motors the other day.

They’re seriously flat motors.

For a really flat robot.

It’s been a while since I’ve updated Pop Quiz, which has been in much the same form since the end of 2005. That makes it my longest-lived bot ever!

For revision 2, the blade height will be dropped from 0.8″ to a bit over 0.6″. The chassis height will be lowered from 0.5″ to 0.375″.

This requires extensive customization on almost all levels. The only stock gearmotors I can use are Sanyo micromotors, which are about .380″ tall, but unless combined with an additional gearup on the output, will not offer satisfactory speed.

So I’m going a different way.

This is a custom 3:1 gearbox design for a Mabuchi slot car motor, the square kind. I got a bag of 30 of these surplus a little while back.

3:1 straight off these motors at 14 volts will make the bot travel over 9000 miles per hour. However, I plan to inject some big N50 magnets in place of the ceramic ones in there now, greatly increasing the magnetic flux within the core and hopefully dropping the voltage constant enough such that 3:1 is actually sort of manageable, especially with wheels 0.5″ in diameter. The target speed is about 4 feet a second, which is incredibly zippy, but only if it works out. Extensive testing of this setup will occur.

The gears are metric module 0.4 things from SDP-SI, which is about 64 pitch. Aligning them will be such a royal pain in the ass that I don’t want to think about it at the moment.

The housing is a chunk of aluminum channel or rectangular tube, machined to taste. Four modules will be made for 4 wheel drive. Each module should be around 2/3 ounce according to Inventor.

Wepon motor in place. Oddly enough, the version of PQ’s motor that worked unquestionably the best was the original hacked hard drive motor with its 2504 stator and ball bearings! The later custom motors just never quite matched up to it. So I’ll be using a HDD stator again in a custom housing, with ball bearings – no more of this bushing crap that plagued the current weapon motor.

The axial flux one had ball bearings, but didn’t fare any better because its torque output was so low.

The flat motor stators in the picture are 28mm diameter x 3mm tall, but only 9-poled. I have another set of HDD motors which have 28mm x 4mm stators with 12 poles, allowing the use of a dLRK winding, which have been designed into the above motor.

This is, of course, the fun part. Ground-to-blade height of a hair over .625″. It could be less, but running the blade to close to the body results in self-eating.

The top of the frame is exactly half an inch from the ground. The ground clearance around the wheels is a bit less than 1/8″.

Overall, the parts rundown is:

  • Banebots 3-9 controllers for drive. The Scorpion Minis inside Pop Quiz at the moment are workable, but the BBs are more compact and lighter. I’m not too concerned about thermal issues with the Banebots controllers since PQ shouldn’t be doing any pushing anyway. I might revert the decision if they can’t handle the…
  • Frankenmotors, former slot car motors with giant magnets attached to them. I wish they had carbon brushes.
  • A GWS Pico receiver. The Cirrus 4 channel micro Rx that I use in PQ at the moment is actually too big to fit inside the frame! Spektrum makes a 2.4ghz receiver that I can use, but it is of the airplane type and does not return signals to neutral in the event of transmitter signal loss. Even though PQ is pretty close to takeoff when running, I’d prefer it stay on the ground.
  • 14.8 volts of 430mAh lithium polymer cells, rated for 10-15C. I want to run high voltage, low current this time around, so 6 amps should be plenty (14.8v and 6 amps is still a solid 80+ watts!)
  • A random 10 amp controller from United Hobbies. The ESC I have in PQ at the moment is 10 amps, but this one can run 4 cells. I bet it’s not as plushy as they make it out to be.
  • A 12 inch waterjet-cut titanium blade.
  • Lots of carbon fiber! Instead of using heavy 1/16″ fiberglass (Garolite) plates, I wanted to see if the lighter, stiffer carbon fiber material can be used in slightly thinner section (.041″). The weapon motor is supported from both sides this time, so I can probably run .021″ material on the bottom to increase clearance.

More to come! This is a summer project, since my attention is focused on the scooter and … classes (yeah, I think) at the moment.

Bot on.