Susquehanna Boxcar 6S Pro Max V3 Platinum Edition: The Buildening and Dragon Con 2025 recap!

So typically, a Boxcar update involves Motorama, my perennial winter robot festivity back north of the Mason Dixon line. However, in 2025, conflicting work travel turnaround times made it basically infeasible to commit to going. Therefore, while a lot of the design and some of the building of Boxcar happened over winter (and some really dating back before Dragon Con 2024), I really just targeted getting it together for last year’s Robot Battles.

We begin the story some time in late summer 2024 (Man, I’m keeping this website so up to date lately). Remember that Boxcar ended up a parallelogram last Motorama when I ran into Big Cookie one too many times. So, that frame went into the machine shop recycling bin, which meant I had to bash together a new one.

Luckily for me, Boxcar was assembled solely using the drops shelf at the local Metal Kroger. I had no plans to change the dimensions or do anything different, just pop out a spare. I just cut another few feet off the nearly full sized channel and tube I bought in like 2021 or something.

After the pieces were cut and the joints and cutouts machined, it was off to the …. uhh, bathroom to weld the corners together. Yes, this is why men take forever in the bathroom – we’re trying to knock out the last few welds.

(For one reason or another, the Internet gets very upset at the concept of the Welding Bathroom. I noticed a lot of people think this is my ONLY bathroom – which to be fair, would be very stereotypical terminally unmarried behavior)

After a new coat of “Detroit Diesel Green”, the color given to me at the start of this whole mess when I asked for the ugliest color paint the O’Reilly’s had on the shelf, I was in business. This brand new and shiny frame (and associated 3D printed eggplant) was just unceremoniously dropped on the still-working bot for Dragon Con in 2024, and it did alright – mostly making a big mess in the rumbles eggplanting all over everything.

At the end, I was down two drive motors and pretty much was just hobbling it around, which became part of the motivation for finally making it a “real” bot.

In fact, after it managed to somehow buckle the steel tube (granted, it was only 1/16″ wall), I found that the… uhh curvature of the member improved the impact posture. A lot of hammerbots do have some…. curvature in the member for a better impact angle against an opponent, within a range of heights. Maybe I’ll just keep this design as intentional in the future.

And so, Boxcar sat on the robot cruft room shelf after Dragon Con 2024 while I simmered over the redesign. Some of this build happened over the winter months, the rest (mostly related to the chassis) got bundled up closer to the con, but for presentation I’ll organize the steps in a reasonable narrative order.

It’s always a pleasant day when you get SendCutSend Christmas and it’s not Actual Christmas. I’ve been spoiled by SCS for work purposes now for a long time, but haven’t yet made much for myself!

SCS and friends basically changed the landscape of engineering design work by putting a fast food menu of high-precision sheet metal ops right in front of you. There’s basically no more excuses. For work, I’ve made gaggles of sheet metal enclosures and bracketree that mated up and aligned with almost billet machined part levels of prevision.

This is in stark contrast with my years of experience with sheet metal layout and farmout long ago. Even worse is if I have to run the brake press myself, because I guarantee that no two bend lines will be parallel, no radius and flange height consistent, and no two angles congruent. I was “afraid of” sheet metal and hybrid sheet metal designs for the longest time because of this. That changed with this build, when I finally had to set up my Sheet Metal workflow and design rules at home.

Alongside the main DeWut mounting crossmember, I had the sprockets and gears popped out of 3/16″ aluminum. Laser cutting precision has also come a long way too – those 12 pitch gears mated perfectly out of the box with one of 30Hauls’ old waterjet-cut 1/2″ aluminum gears.

Before I could get assembling, I had to conquer a side quest boss. The “brushless DeWut” conversion of course needed me to pull the pinion geas off the OEM DeWalt 18V motors. This has been a notoriously difficult exercise because of the design of the motor nose plate, which hides the backside of the pinion and largely prevents you from using any kind of off the shelf gear puller.

So I was going to cook up a custom puller, made from a block of steel with just the right dimensions to grab the DeWalt motor pinion.

I milled a channel into the 1″ steel cube and opened the bottom up in stages with a T-slot mill.

This is the principle here. The top of the T-slot channel grabs the pinion just inside of the teeth, whereas most gear pullers need to wrap around the motor shaft.

I used a #8 alloy steel socket cap screw as the driver. If that seems a bit undersized, it’s because it IS (for the amount of force people told me it can need), but it was the largest diameter screw that would natively fit inside the 5mm pinion bore. I just compensated some by giving it a 3x diameter thread length, so maybe I’d just twist it off before it blew its own threads off.

It worked extremely well in the end, because… well, it actually didn’t need that much drive screw force. I think because so few people have ever pulled DeWalt pinions, the operation maybe reached some kind of mythical, oral legend status among the builder community. I basically found out that the cyclops was actually an aggressive meat-eating rabbit – still fearsome, but not as big of a deal.

And with that, I salvaged pinions off two of my leftover DeWalt motors and was ready to assemble the 42mm brushless motors on them. They were pressed back on with green Loctite 609 retaining compound.

The finished product! Everything went together without issue, since the replacement motor mounting block was designed to be the right depth to use the OEM standard 42mm motor shaft length, without cutting or grinding anything.

Next up, I worked on crafting the new geared lifter/eggplanter hub. I needed to clean up the laser-cut bores of the main lift gear laminations, which was a quick boring (literally) operation. I just declared Law of Averages here and stuffed a bunch of gear slices in the chuck, figuring it had enough teeth engaging with the chuck to kind of sort things out concentricity-wise. Somewhere, my old Machine Design professor suddenly grabs his temples and screams.

The hub itself is a chunk of thick-walled steel tube stock that I put two big snap ring grooves and a 3/8″ keyway into – it matches the dimensions of a 1.5″ standard keyed shaft. It gets welded to a thick-walled 1.5″ square tube which the smaller 1″ whatever i put on the bot gets bolted into.

Back from the welding bathroom, I added a large chamfer to give clearance to the DeWut as the assembly rotates.

This is the completed hub after welding and processing, with the gear slices stacked on. The slices are retained on both sides by a big 1.5″ snap ring, applied using the most terrifying snap ring pliers I’ve ever had to use, which I picked up for Stance Stance Revolution previously.

That was a double face protection moment – safety glasses under the whole-face shield. Luckily, I only shot it off one time!

Moving onto drivetrain assembly, all of the drive sprockets got an edge chamfer using a quickly-made mandrel.

The drive assemblies are pretty straightforward, with the hubs and tires built the same way I’d been making them (though these days I just incorporate the little adhesive-and-torque-promoting blades into the hub itself). Eight plastite type self-threading screws, probably overkill but an easy number to count to, hold the sprockets onto the plastic hubs.

Now we’re getting into the heat of the build with chassis work! I picked up a 38mm Forstner cutter to cleanly make a hole through the UHMW frame rails – a regular hole saw would have been fine too, but the closeness of the tie rods holding the gearbox together made me want closer tolerances than a hole saw would manage. The P81 ring gears are a little under 1.5″ in diameter, making the 38mm hole a light slip fit.

I made drawings and drove the mill myself like some kind of 20th-century scrub.

Very quickly, the bot reached the integration stage of the build. In the grand scheme of things I build, this is probably one of the most brain dead simple things, which is quite nice for a change. It means it should keep working. Right?

While the machining was happening, the Main Bracket™ was finishing being squirted out of TPU. Much like Main Brackets of yore, it holds the battery in the rear pocket and the ESCs up front. The “power switch” is the good ol’ just unplug the battery (pretty much banned everywhere now, I think) but Dragon Con badger don’t give a fuck.

And really… that’s about it for the mechanicals of this bot! The drive chains started out very tight because of the unfinished edges of the sprockets, combined with my “Ideal Center Distance Plus Like 5 Thou” spacing of the axles. They’ll find each other over time.

Wiring was largely ported over from the previous build with some connector changes and splices. The Brushless Rages are the size of suitcases compared to modern AM32 controllers and made wiring more difficult than it had to be. I did pick up a slew of sample AM32 ESCs off a few vendors after Dragon Con, so it’ll be part of the future changes to mess around with them and see which ones I like.

Boxcar 2025’s test drive was simply me bringing it to the con on Sunday and driving it around with an advertising message written on it! I went around menacing the other droids and R/C models. By the end of the day, everything had “worn in” enough to be smooth. So this thing was fight ready for Monday!

Here’s the “press photo” of the 2025 bot. At the Robot Battles on monday, it started becoming a new meme with the audience repeatedly chanting “EGGPLANT” whenever it was on stage. It left the event working, and would be entered almost unchanged in Motorama 2026…

Susquehanna Boxcar Never Dies: Reviving This Stale Meme with 30Haul’s Old Drivetrain!

Good ol’ Susquehanna Boxcar.

What started as a quick-build meme using whatever I had dug out of my (then, in late 2021, still not yet unpacked) totes full of motors turned into… something that just kept evolving and getting funnier. After doing suspiciously well at Motorama 2022 using only surplus inkjet printer head motors for drive, it got switched to brushless power in 2023 and then kept on doing suspiciously well at Dragon Con.

Zip tying a Taro root to the thing in 2022 was funny, but the Papaya of Redemption really kicked off the wave of “Boxcar must always use a quasi-phallic vegetable, or an analogue of one, as a weapon”

Always having been a hacked-together build, by 2024 the thing was really showing its technical debt. It was tacky to service, which cost me fights at both of those events. Much like old Uberclocker builds of yore, I didn’t really care how it went together as long as it did. And so, after burning out 2 of the drive motors at Dragon Con 2024, I decided you know what? It’s time to SPEND MONEY on it. (I mean, ignore the fact that I spent money on it from the start even though I said I wasn’t going to, as if the first thing I did after declaring I wasn’t going to spend money on it was ordering a bunch of UHMW strips from McMaster)

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First order of business is to throw a bunch of random motors into CAD. The idea was to reuse parts I already own from 30Haul – I’ve owned a tote of the last 30haul’s wreckage ever since its final NHRL event in 2021. I sold the chassis parts and some drive parts to various people – some of whom have even managed to vaguely rebuild and remix it. I retained much of the intact drivetrain consisting of 42mm HobbyKing SK3 motors zipped to P61 gearboxes, as well as the gears and sprocketry that made up the lifter.

A couple of other wildcard motors also made it into this bucket of brain pressure washing grime. One thing I wanted to do was upgrade the hammer/lifter/eggplanter motor. The bot used a Harbor Freight 18V drill gearbox that I hot-modded (“Harbor Freight 68239 LS Swapped.iam”) with a 3536 size outrunner motor. While it “worked”, it had durability issues from the much greater torque input the motor was capable of; primarily, the age-old robot community drill motor hack to secure the drill’s clutch ring kept blowing out because the casing would actually flex too much.

So there’s some surprising motors from the past in there. One of them was sizing up a BaneBots P80 – that model I put together for old 30Haul ages ago. Another one is Overhaul 2’s never-implemented Banebots P80 based shifter gearbox, a design I ripped off from the DeWalt 3-speed gearbox next to it that forms the foundation of the DeWut motor. All three are of the same size class, 2.5 inch across size, and it was more of a matter of what actually fits lengthwise.

One thing that was pretty decisive was the drive motors, which I decided will be 30haul’s drive gearboxes. So while I was still mullling the lifter/hammer motor decision, I did some starting detail design on the drive. The layout will no longer be a motor geared to each wheel, but just a pretty regular direct drive rear and chain drive front.

The real innovation here is just that I am copying some homework from NHRL bots that have done it this way, and fully embedding the drive gearbox into the thick UHMW frame rail. It’s just drilling a big center hole and four tie rod thru-holes and trapping the gearbox inside. For the front, I’m making a “fake P61” block that uses the same bolt pattern so I can recycle the drilling template.

The wheels modeled are basically the same cut up gum rubber foam I’ve come to favor, on 3D printed hubs, to which plate-cut sprockets are attached. It’s a divergence from the “gearhubs” of the previous iteration, but not by much.

The fake P60 will be tied to the frame with some tee nuts for wood, another bit of a throwback for me. UHMW is easily shaped by woodworking tools, so it was one of my favorite (and only) robot materials back in the day.

Around this time was when the real innovation started. Namely, I decided to give a brushless DeWut swap a try. Most because this was the only way I could fit it, and also because I wanted a quick and easy to switch between “hammer” (fast gear ratio) and “lifter” (slow gear ratio).

If you’ve been in my circle for a long time, you’ve probably heard “Brushless DeWut” thrown around forever now. With modern cordless drills all having become “unibody” i.e. there’s just no more separate gearbox and motor combo inside the plastic shell, making a drive motor conversion is a lot more involved. And with the robot drive market having moved towards bespoke solutions instead of repurposing industrial and commercial motors (*shakes cane*) there was simply no market-based incentive. I’ve bought 4-5 models of brushless drill over the past few years and they all follow similar thought patterns.

All this entails, though, is stuffing a 42mm outrunner motor into the back side of the existing DeWut conversion.

Nothing substantially exciting to be seen! I took the original DeWut model from 2011 or something and just cut the back of it off, then made a motor mounting face. The whole thing will be a 3D print using carbon fiber filled nylon, probably with a few laps of carbon fiber thrown in using my Markforged machines, to keep it rigid in the barrel section.

Here’s a cross section look through the assembly. A 42mm size motor has a 5mm shaft just like the DeWalt motors did, with a pressed pinion. I didn’t want to have to cut or modify the motor shaft, so the depth of the motor mounting face was set by measuring where the motor shaft reached the gearbox first stage, plus a bit of clearance.

From here, the design cooked pretty fast. I wanted the weapon motor to be serviceable without taking the entirety of everything apart like last time, so I decided on a bottom-drop sheet metal bracket. By “Sheet Metal” I really mean 3/16″ thick aluminum. At this point in time, with the likes of SendCutSend and OSHCut offering express and precise sheet metal service (This message brought to you by neither of them, by the way, I just prolifically use both) there’s just no more excuses.

Historically I’ve been turned off by sheet metal assembly techniques because the Chinese guy running the press or brake machine was me. Very rarely could I actually manage two parallel bends or get anything to line up, much less get the bend radius right (Ever notice that your average cheap sheet metal combo machine has all sharp dies instead of radiused, and assume you’re working with gauges thin enough where that just about doesn’t matter?)

But I’ve made plenty of assemblies for other people now where a half dozen large bent and formed parts come together with almost dowel-pin precision. It was time to make some for myself for once!

“Draw the rest of the fucking bracket” happened, but really all that is is adding the mounting features of the DeWut.

To allow for a bottom drop while providing support for the distal end of the motor output shaft, I just made a quick “pillow block” that will live with the bracket and holds two flanged ball bearings.

The quick drop service basically implied moving to a gear drive instead of chain drive. I whipped up another set of 12 DP spur gears, much like what I’d use in Uberclocker and 30Hauls of yore. The difference is this time, I’m doing them “laminated” style from the same 3/16″ aluminum that will form the motor bracket! This saves some cost using those online services since there’s fewer material setups.

To compensate for the slightly weaker nature of a bunch of thinner gears in a trenchcoat (with their unfinished sides and irregular contact patterns) I’m just letting the assembly be wider than a typical 30Haul gear. I’ve typically used 1/2″ thick material in 6061 or 7075, but I made space for up to 4 wide in this thickness (3/4″ thick).

To couple the gears to the, uhh.. end effector of choice, I’ll be making another welded hub. This time, it’s a 1.5″ diameter thick-walled steel tube welded to the socket. The outer diameter of the tube will have a keyway machined, basically turning it into a big keyed shaft. The gear segments slide on and are retained by a snap ring, my former worst enemy but now favorite nation. I’ve also backed down to three gear slices for now since I was very much running out of horizontal space.

In another episode of “Move onto something else while I haven’t finished the first thing yet”, I began thinking ahead to where to put the internal parts. With the two larger motors now occupying space on one side, an even bigger motor now occupying the central section, and the need for clearance to swing the Eggplanter, I faced a challenge of where to put things like motor controllers and batteries.

Also it didn’t help that the Brushless Rage is the size of a bus compared to modern BLHeli and AM32 enabled ESCs, but… already have several.

The solution? Turn the damn assembly around! There was now no longer a reason to try to keep everything next to the drive motors. The motors create a convenient gap in the middle for something stick shaped, so let’s make them the “front”. I’ll just make a bottom armor plate and probably a 3D printed dust cover for them. This freed up a contiguous volume to arrange my bus parking lot!

I began “flowing the bracket” around all the parts. This configuration of Brushless Rage and battery offered the most remaining volume to pack wiring as well as a 3rd ESC for the weapon motor. For that one, I was going to use one of my surplus SimonK swap ESCs (specifically the old Spider ZTW 80 amp, of which I had a bundle). Is this robot just a means to dispose of dieselpunk-era parts?!

I also dispensed with the separate bearing holder bracket. The DeWut motor shaft will be supported by a bearing in a pocket in the frame rail. This approach has a better load path because of the forces not having to first travel through the weakest part of the aluminum bracket. However, it does turn the “drop out service” into a “slide then drop” because the motor shaft will need to scoot out of the bearing first.

That’s why I said I was running out of horizontal space above – the DeWut had to now be positioned slightly away from the other frame rail so I can slide it back around 1/4″ after removing the screws.

It was time to get building! First off, I started off with testing the fitment of the DeWut conversion. Stay tuned for more Susquehanna Boxcar adventures at Dragon Con and Motorama!