{"id":3516,"date":"2014-12-19T05:16:13","date_gmt":"2014-12-19T09:16:13","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.etotheipiplusone.net\/?p=3516"},"modified":"2014-12-21T08:10:19","modified_gmt":"2014-12-21T12:10:19","slug":"big-chucks-chinapalooza-2014-shenzhen-days-3-and-4-seeedstudio-and-the-silly-seg-things-factory","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.etotheipiplusone.net\/?p=3516","title":{"rendered":"Big Chuck&#8217;s Chinapalooza 2014: Shenzhen, Days 3 and 4 &#8211; Seeedstudio and the Silly Seg-Things Factory"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Guys, I found the local Mexican place. I can officially just settle down here now.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_67.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_67-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>It wasn&#8217;t bad &#8211; at LEAST Taco Bell grade (and I hold Taco Bell in moderate repute!) but like many Western food options, is much more expensive than a noodle shack &#8211; three tacos here cost me about as much (converted back to USD) as if I just hit up Beantown Taqueria back at base.<\/p>\n<p>Tuesday and Wednesday&#8217;s adventures involved some sightseeing. Not the touristy kind (is there such a thing as &#8216;industrial tourism&#8217;?), but visiting the facilities of a well known maker-oriented company &#8211; Seeed Studio &#8211; as well as that of a small vehicle manufacturer. My favorite!<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<h1>Day 3: Seeed Studio<\/h1>\n<p>We begin with me getting lost for like 15 minutes trying to find the office of Seeed Studio.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_55.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_55-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>So they definitely have directions to visit the office on their website <a href=\"https:\/\/www.seeedstudio.com\/depot\/index.php?main_page=about_us&amp;p=findus\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>. But, I noticed a glaring omission. The directions just say &#8220;Make a right onto Tongsha Road and look for Building 32!&#8221; The north side and south sides of Tongsha Road are very different, though both have\u00a0commercial buildings,\u00a0and it took me a few minutes of confusion and pattern matching before I realized they meant the north side.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_56.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_56-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Welcome to Seee(eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee)d Studio! Hey, it looks exactly like the picture on their website!<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_57.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_57-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>All around the front office, there are &#8216;trophy cases&#8217; showing samples of products they&#8217;ve shipped. The cases are made from repurposed shipping materials.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_58.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_58-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nD&#8217;aaaw.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_59.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_59-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The main hallway of Seeed, where the various departments and rooms break off. I got a tour from one of the HR ladies who could speak english fairly well.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m going to complain juuust a little about this since it goes kind of well with the general theme of my visit so far, that I&#8217;m actually not sure when I can speak English or have to resort to&#8230; well, Chinglish. Seeed presents itself online as a very English speaking place &#8211; the website and documentation is pretty much impeccable. So imagine my surprise when I roll up and receive strange looks after asking for a tour.<\/p>\n<p>Maybe it&#8217;s something I should have called ahead about (in which case, that maybe should be on the website &#8211; English speakers, call to arrange), but it sort of ruined my plans to talk shop with an engineer or something. I settled for a fairly basic walkaround of the space and just used what Chinese I knew, which is somewhat sparse as I&#8217;ve mentioned previously.<\/p>\n<p>Overall, though, it was still an insightful look at their operations. They pretty much are\u00a0a product design company and marketing ecosystem that focuses on maker-style\/DIY products.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_60.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_60-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The shipping department was alive and bustling with orders being picked.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_61.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_61-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Manufacturing takes places on another floor.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_62.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone\" src=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_62-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Electronics assembly room. SMT and hand assembly are both done here. This was as far as I made it in, since to go further, I would have had to put on antistatic protection clothing.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_63.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone\" src=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_63-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Off to the side, a small mechanical shop with a little CNC, laser cutter, and other fairly basic RP tools. The idea is simple stuff like 3d printed parts and laser-cut enclosures cold be done in-house. I asked what they did with products with significant mechanical features &#8211; and the answer was, again, they hire them out to local contract manufacturers!<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_64.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_64-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The main hall of the upper floor office hosts customer service, support, and HR.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_65.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_65-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I spoke to Jim, a product manager, after the tour was over. I brought over a RageBridge prototype for kicks &#8211; this is the unfinished v1 that I owe everyone a fab report on soon. I was non-seriously inquiring about having the whole thing made through them, asking what he (and an EE that came over in the middle) what they thought of the board.<\/p>\n<p>They did say there doesn&#8217;t seem to be anything about the board which can&#8217;t be made and fitted in-house (yes!), but they have also never done anything with such high power before. But to be sure, I would have to submit a case through their Propagate program so they can look at everything in detail. Fair enough!<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_66.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_66-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>On the way out, I placed a live order for something I&#8217;ve been wanting for a hell of a long time. I&#8217;ve been watching the DSO Nano since they released version 1 a few years ago. It seems like having the pocket ability to, say debug PWMs and signal levels is a very powerful one I&#8217;ve been missing out on. The DSO Quad ups the sample rates significantly and also has two digital-only inputs.<\/p>\n<p>This little guy will live in my personal toolbox and travel to robot events and silly go-kart races and the like.<\/p>\n<h1>Day 4: Silly Segway Factory<\/h1>\n<p>Remember that little yellow thing? This thing.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.etotheipiplusone.net\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_28.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/www.etotheipiplusone.net\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_28-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>On Wednesday, after getting back from Seeed, I looked up the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.sunnytimes.cn\/\" target=\"_blank\">manufacturer<\/a>, who is local, and actually e-mailed them asking if I could have a factory tour. Not only did I play the &#8220;noobie engineering student looking to learn about how manufacturing is done&#8221; like, but I also made sure to casually mention that I was impressed with their product since I had built similar things before &#8211; namely, I showed my sales rep contact and a manager <a href=\"https:\/\/www.etotheipiplusone.net\/?page_id=566\" target=\"_blank\">Segfault<\/a>. They invited me over the next day, in the afternoon.<\/p>\n<p>Well, what can I do until then? I returned to HQB first, in the morning, to pick up some motors.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_68.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_68-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Not only did I invest some cash into buying roughly <a href=\"http:\/\/www.pololu.com\/category\/60\/micro-metal-gearmotors\" target=\"_blank\">Pololu micro<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/kitbots.com\/product.sc;jsessionid=31AAC274D6C8C31149005A3FDE7865EE.m1plqscsfapp01?productId=20&amp;categoryId=1\" target=\"_blank\">25mm beetlemotor<\/a>, and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.fingertechrobotics.com\/proddetail.php?prod=ft-Sspark16\" target=\"_blank\">Silver Spark<\/a> sized gearmotors for my own use, but the majority of the motors are earmarked for supporting new bot builders at MIT who have decided to enter into <a href=\"http:\/\/buildersdb.com\/view_bots.asp?eventid=395\" target=\"_blank\">Motorama 2015<\/a>. The idea is I&#8217;m going to make the motors available basically at-cost to the new builders.<\/p>\n<p>The motors I picked up aren&#8217;t exactly identical to the ones I linked to, but I think to a new builder the Law of Chinese Product Packaging Inertia applies here &#8211; it will probably work just fine!<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_69.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_69-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"360\" height=\"640\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>While heading through the market to the motor place I&#8217;d spoken to before, I found this.<\/p>\n<p>Hey, umm, doesn&#8217;t 2 wheels kind of ruin the point? They&#8217;re not independent either, but the rim is a single long piece. The seller mentioned that it&#8217;s easy for newbies to train on, but that&#8217;s about all.<\/p>\n<p>After stuffing my backpack full of motors, I went and hailed a cab to visit the Seg Things factory.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_70.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_70-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>They&#8217;re located in <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Longgang_District,_Shenzhen\" target=\"_blank\">Longgang district<\/a>, a dusty northern district that is literally on the other side of the mountain from the city core. Lots of other factories are located out here also.<\/p>\n<p>The structure above isn&#8217;t their building; it&#8217;s on the other side, and the structure is just a dividing wall.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_71.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_71-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The lobby, which also functions as a freight elevator access path. Because you&#8217;re never really supposed to <em>see<\/em> these places, they&#8217;re not nearly as shiny.<\/p>\n<p>I met up with the sales rep and manager and began the walkaround. The manager mentioned that the iMuve2 contraption I saw is their in-house design &#8211; it is not a copy of a oneWheel or a segway-shaped object. I&#8217;m not one to verify, but all the Google search results for that name come back to them, so it must be at least somewhat legit!<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_72.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_72-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>In Special Economic Zone China, Segway off-load you.<\/p>\n<p>I pointed out that they might want to fix this for\u00a0the future.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_73.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_73-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"360\" height=\"640\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This space isn&#8217;t a &#8216;factory&#8217; per se. Instead, it&#8217;s an assembly house, logistics center, and sales &amp; service center. Parts are ordered from CMs all around the area, like handlebars and motor assemblies. The seg-things are then built to order in small batches by techs, one at a time. Not a bad model for small-quantity quirky vehicles.<\/p>\n<p>The sales lady mentioned they roll out about 3-400 units (of all types, combined) per month. They go all over the world,\u00a0and they sell directly.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_74.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_74-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>A seg-thing being assembled. These big ones are all DC motor, unlike actual Segways which are brushless. The reason why? Cost, and &#8220;good enough&#8221;. I dunno about you, but I approve.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_75.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_75-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"360\" height=\"640\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>A tech starts taking apart a display\u00a0model they sent to a dealer, who sent it back because it suddenly would just cut on in one direction. Sounds like a loose IMU problem to me.<\/p>\n<p>He was taking the cover off as the wheels were spinning, only finally switching the thing off by yoinking the battery connector&#8230; which was an XT-60! Something tells me the engineering team and I will be very good friends.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_76.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_76-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Unlike many places, even in shops, they fully let me whip the camera out and take closeup photos of everything. I&#8217;m guessing they are comfortable enough with me doing so since I showed them what I&#8217;d done before (that I wasn&#8217;t just some random secret agent); that, or they stalked me enough to read Beyond Unboxing posts and know that no matter what, I&#8217;m going to take it apart and put it on the Internet eventually anyway. Which I will&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_77.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone\" src=\"\/pics\/cn\/sz2014_77-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&#8230;because I am now the proud owner of a <a href=\"http:\/\/scolton.blogspot.com\/p\/self-balancing-things.html\" target=\"_blank\">Stickless Segstick<\/a>. Schmoozing the factory does get you places! It wasn&#8217;t free, but we worked out a price that was basically their parts cost plus &#8220;well we do need to make SOME money&#8221;, which I agreed to. I didn&#8217;t push too hard since they&#8217;d been so generous in giving the indepth tour.\u00a0I mentioned I was more interested in souping it up and using it potentially for parts, which made them acquiese a bit.<\/p>\n<p>I am a huge fan of this thing. It&#8217;s very intuitive to ride and very smooth (despite still being block-commutated brushless &#8211; so there&#8217;s still a bit of dead zone in the middle). But it&#8217;s definitely an indoor machine.<\/p>\n<p>One of the techs and I had a race in the warehouse, which he of course handily won.<\/p>\n<p>Overall, these two days were a pretty insightful look into a place that mostly ships PCB products and a place which assembles and ships small low-production-count vehicles. Both industries I&#8217;ve either been in or thought about getting into. It&#8217;s good to see that I&#8217;m not crazy or too far off base with many of my assumptions on how this stuff works.<\/p>\n<p>What I learned is that even the Silly Seg-Factory still uses Alibaba and the local market ecosystem to scout out new CMs and obtain purchasing agreements for parts. They represent the layer of manufacturing that is above &#8220;the factory&#8221; &#8211; making all things from scratch and basically in-house &#8211; which I suppose is &#8216;the integrator&#8217; or something of the sort.<\/p>\n<p>After returning to the hotel, I promptly tried to ride Stickless Segstick around the block, only almost dying like 5 times. It&#8217;s WAY easier to ditch off from than a Segway &#8211; just jump up. The two black footpads are actually weight sensors and it will quit instantly when you jump off.<\/p>\n<p>In the future: A visit to <a href=\"szdiy.org\/\" target=\"_blank\">SZDIY<\/a>, and a Friday spent chilling and writing this before I hop on the high speed rail to Beijing. Maybe tomorrow&#8217;s post will be a RageBridge fab post.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Guys, I found the local Mexican place. I can officially just settle down here now. It wasn&#8217;t bad &#8211; at LEAST Taco Bell grade (and I hold Taco Bell in moderate repute!) but like many Western food options, is much more expensive than a noodle shack &#8211; three tacos here cost me about as much [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[114,99],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3516","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-east-asia-2014","category-events"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.etotheipiplusone.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3516","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.etotheipiplusone.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.etotheipiplusone.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.etotheipiplusone.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.etotheipiplusone.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=3516"}],"version-history":[{"count":9,"href":"https:\/\/www.etotheipiplusone.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3516\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":3531,"href":"https:\/\/www.etotheipiplusone.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3516\/revisions\/3531"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.etotheipiplusone.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=3516"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.etotheipiplusone.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=3516"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.etotheipiplusone.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=3516"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}