{"id":168,"date":"2008-05-10T04:49:46","date_gmt":"2008-05-10T08:49:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.etotheipiplusone.net\/?p=168"},"modified":"2008-05-10T14:27:40","modified_gmt":"2008-05-10T18:27:40","slug":"pop-quiz-2-update-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.etotheipiplusone.net\/?p=168","title":{"rendered":"Pop Quiz 2 Update 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The calm before the storm has begun.<\/p>\n<p>After two weeks of hosing, I now have a week of reprieve before the wall of finals hits&#8230; hopefully not too hard.<\/p>\n<p>So naturally I&#8217;ll take the opportunity to catch up on two weeks of building. First off is Pop Quiz, which I actually have a fair percentage of the parts for.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"\/pics\/pq2\/pq2_10.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"\/pics\/pq2\/pq2_10-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>From United Hobbies are the replacement internal parts. After some idea juggling, I settled on some 460mAh packs rated for 15C discharge. This of course gets me an incredible 6 amps of maximum current, but given my intention to run everything in the bot mildly, should not get in the way.<\/p>\n<p>These packs are 3S each, and I will remove one cell from each pack, then series the remaining to yield 4S x 460mAh.<\/p>\n<p>The new 10A controller is unbelievably small &#8211; MUCH smaller than Pop Quiz&#8217;s current 10A controller by far. It has one SO-8 FET per leg of the motor driver bridge.<\/p>\n<p>Still missing is the micro-receiver and drive ESCs. These parts are contingent on whether or not I can shove the old ones into the new design.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"\/pics\/pq2\/pq2_11.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/pics\/pq2\/pq2_11-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>PQ2 drive motors! This is a side-by-side comparison of the stock Mabuchi slot car motor, and the neodymium-tuned one next to it (On the right). The &#8220;freewheeling noise&#8221; of the &#8220;enhanced&#8221; motor is substantially lower. According to my R\/C meter, it draws an obnoxious .4 amps no-load, but oddly enough, runs smoother and with significantly less brush arc than the stocker. I wish I had some real equipment such that I can collect real data instead of jamming my finger into the rotor to see how easily it stops (Alot harder to stop the new motor, by the way!)<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.sdp-si.com\">SDP-SI<\/a> is out of stock on the exact size gear I need to fit the new drivetrain. Go figure &#8211; I&#8217;ll keep bugging them until they are restocked.<\/p>\n<p>With those little details on hold, it was time to work on the new motor.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"\/pics\/pq2\/pq2_12.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/pics\/pq2\/pq2_12-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&#8230;but alas, disaster strikes even before starting.<\/p>\n<p>After popping the stators out of the motors I intended for the bot, I discovered they are in fact <strong>3mm<\/strong> thick, not 4mm like I had visually inspected (Note that these aren&#8217;t the &#8220;flat motors&#8221; from the last update, but rather some HDD motors I had bought in 2006)<\/p>\n<p>This was quite bad, as I had sized the design for a 4mm tall stator. This isn&#8217;t to say 3mm won&#8217;t work, since small fits in place of large, but would cost me some power as well as style points.<\/p>\n<p>What ensued was a night of terror levied upon a box of old hard drives sitting around MITERS. I went through one of every unique make to see if they had usable spindle motors. There were only 4 brands and models in total &#8211; the rest were duplicates.<\/p>\n<p>(MITERS obtained this after some server cluster on campus dumped their old hardware)<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"\/pics\/pq2\/pq2_13.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/pics\/pq2\/pq2_13-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I hate new stuff. I really do. Because they ALL LOOK AND FUNCTION ALIKE on the inside. Not a single 4mm, 12 pole motor was found out of four drives. The only 4mm stator was 9-poled and 20mm in outer diameter, totally unworkable. Of course, going through more was only going to be redundant, so I called it a night and just worked on the motor frame itself.<\/p>\n<p>I have some older (1990s) hard drives hiding under my bed that might prove more useful. Old things tend to have bigger motors. Or I could just harvest some plates from one stator and transfer them over.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"\/pics\/pq2\/pq2_14.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/pics\/pq2\/pq2_14-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Result of the Night of Terror. The other MITERers were, of course, glad to act as parts vultures, stripping the discs, magnets, RW heads, and various random bearings and spacers. I wonder how many cents I can get if I recycle the casings.<\/p>\n<p>Time to get down to business. Behold, the sketchiest sawing setup that has ever existed.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"\/pics\/pq2\/pq2_15.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/pics\/pq2\/pq2_15-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I needed a chunk off this 8 foot long, 1.6&#8243; diameter steel pipe. There wasn&#8217;t really an easy way to handle it besides propping it up on the work table and using the abrasive saw.<\/p>\n<p>Problem was, there wasn&#8217;t really a sawhorse or structure that could easily fit in the space provided. The solution was to prop it up with a wooden board and just hope nothing moves.<\/p>\n<p>Nothing moved, but the effort proved fruitless as the inside of the steel pipe, when cleaned of rust, was around 1.3&#8243; diameter. I need a 1.295&#8243; ID on the magnet ring, and would rather trim outwards from a smaller pipe.<\/p>\n<p>D&#8217;oh.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"\/pics\/pq2\/pq2_16.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/pics\/pq2\/pq2_16-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>So the next thing to do was to start on the aluminum bits. Here&#8217;s the completed motor base. Or, rather, here&#8217;s a completed dummy motor base. It was a good practice run to get the quirks of manufacturing out, but ultimately there were some inaccuracies.<\/p>\n<p>The MITERS lathe is well-known for being inconsistently inconsistent (consistently inconsistent would mean I&#8217;d be able to predict and offset appropriately to account for its behavior), and I had all sorts of weird things happen again, like the tailstock that points to any one of 5 constellations depending on where it is on the bed, how hard I crank the camlock, what bit I use, how I mount it in the chuck, how far out the tailstock ram is, and the phase of sunspots. And again, the toolpost proved troublesome &#8211; it&#8217;s awfully flexible for being a block of metal, and some times flexes slightly on cuts, which throws off the dimensions.<\/p>\n<p>I might need to hit up one of the student shops for this application, which requires a bit of precision.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"\/pics\/pq2\/pq2_17.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/pics\/pq2\/pq2_17-mid.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Assembled (with a stock ganked HDD stator). The stator is supposed be flush with the top of the stepped nub, but of course it&#8217;s 1.2mm too short to do so. This is actually not as bad as I make it out to be. The base, as it is, will make a good backup part, since there&#8217;s only a small amount of error on the OD and the depth of the center hole.<\/p>\n<p>Overall, the test assembly confirms some of the hopes I had about fitting the motor can and maintaining space for the windings. There&#8217;s a fair amount of space to wind with.<\/p>\n<p>More work to come!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The calm before the storm has begun. After two weeks of hosing, I now have a week of reprieve before the wall of finals hits&#8230; hopefully not too hard. So naturally I&#8217;ll take the opportunity to catch up on two weeks of building. 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